In this episode, Jamie Martinson sits down with Darin Von Ruden as well Earl Ingram has a lovely chat with esteemed cardiovascular researcher, Dr. Peter Cowey, to talk about the absolute mess that is the American healthcare system. They break down the ridiculous "arms race" between hospitals—like buying flashy, unnecessary MRI machines just to outdo the hospital down the street, which ends up driving up costs for all of us.

Dr. Peter Cowey calls out an industry that seems to care way more about its advertising budget and revenue than actually treating sick people. We also hear some incredibly frustrating stories from patients who are stuck in insurance purgatory, fighting tooth and nail just to get approvals for meds they need to survive.

It’s a blunt look at a broken system where profit margins win out over patient care, leaving real people in impossible situations.